If she'd had a gun, she might have survived, or it might have been used on her.

If she'd taken self-defense classes, she might have fought off or overpowered her attacker, or she might have pissed him off and ended up stabbed to death anyway.

If she'd had a home security system she might have been saved by the PD or it might have been too late anyways.

Who knows how it would have went down if things had been done differently.

She died a martyr for the gun control crowd cause! She will be enshrined in their hall of fame! Just like all the other dead people.

Better to be a live redneck, than a dead martyr.

Is owning a gun illegal in Madison?  It's a tragedy all the way aroung but hindsight is 20/20.  All of the shoulda, coulda, woulda in the world won't bring her back.  

Quite frankly ParaTed this has nothing to do with politics or gun control, and shouldn't be used either way as an argument.

This easily could have just as well happened in San Antonio than Wisconsin. Just because a state's law might allow for concealed carry doesn't mean that Britney would have been packing heat in the safety of her own home while watching gilmore girls or whatever she was doing at the time of the invasion.

Brandi:

All of that is true, but the fact is, she was denied her right to decide.  She was taught that she didn't need to defend herself because the police were just a phone call away. 

Dr. Guy:

Nope, she didn't die a martyr, she was just murdered.  Killed by some waste of human flesh who should have been the one who didn't survive the attack.

Loca:

Right. What could bring a person back is the only standard that should be used here.  So nothing should ever be done, or be changed because nothing will bring a person back.  

Artysim:

Tell that to the gun grabbers who use accidental deaths against our rights.  I'm tired of being told that I have to follow some unwritten rule or be "sensitive" while the other side can freely spead their lies.

Yes, it could have, but in places where draconian anti gun laws are repealled, the number of these things go down.  Of course, the gun grabbers don't care about that, they only care about their hatred for guns. 

What makes me sick is, too many Americans would truly rather see her dead, than respect her Constitutional rights.

 

What about just being the better man and all? They stoop to lows, and use various junk the way they see fit., you don't have to.

 

Eh, you're stra man-ing here. 

I agree she should have (with apparently an estranged boyfriend) found a way to protect herself, whether it's pepper spray or whatever.

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Lucas:

I'm taking the high road by not stooping to lies.  There is no reason to walk on eggshells not to offend people who would lie to deny us our rights.

No, I'm not, because in Milwaukee and Madison they often prosecute people who use guns to protect themselves from assailants.

Pepperspray and tazers are also illegal in Madison and Milwaukee.

So the answer is that everyone should arm themselves?  If they don't then what, they deserve to get murdered?  I honestly don't understand your argument here.  It's a tragedy of happenstance.  The person responsible for her death is the murderer not the victim, the 911 operator or the police. 

If they don't, then they WILL get murdered. Whether or not they deserve it isn't the issue.

I'm not going to stock my house with guns. Of course I do live in a place where I have that choice, but I would rather not.

We take other precautions, but I would hate to see someone eulogizing my tragic death with an ode to guns.

Who's going to kill them? You? Murder isn't exactly common. Most people live their whole life without ever coming under threat of murder.

Anyway, a weapon only helps if you're prepared to use it. I think you might be drawing a long bow to claim this poor girl had the moral certainty to shoot someone. Not everyone feels like you do. And if she wasn't prepared to use the weapon it could only be a danger to her.

I have guns, lots of them...plenty of ammo too...but ya know what?  If someone broke into my house I wouldn't have time to get the key, go to the gun safe, open it up, go to the other end of the house and unlock the ammo...then load and shoot.

I don't know any gun owner that leaves loaded guns laying around the house, which is where they'd need to be if someone broke in.  Leaving a loaded gun laying around, now THAT is criminal.

As for this girl.  It's a tragedy.  But if she pinned all her hopes on a gun, she'd be just as dead as she is right now.

I don't think this is a gun issue at all...I think its a 911 incompetency problem.  I was a 911 operator and you NEVER just let a phone call go....ever.  You dispatch officers to a hang up call (its a priority call, an "in progress" call) and then attempt to call the caller back.  If its the kids playing on the phone and the adult in the house tells you that...you tell the officers via radio but they STILL go to the house...or they should....but if they don't its on them.

 

 

True, Tova.

Adrian accidentally called 911 back in Hawaii (he mistook the first three numbers of an area code) and despite his telling them it was a mistake, we still had the MPs at our door within minutes just to check up.