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Positive reinforcement used to be the new best way to get things accomplished.  The concept was, that you can establish a better outlook among people by rewarding them for what they do right instead of punishing them for not doing enough.

It is a good concept that used to be one of the hallmarks of what it meant to be liberal in America.  Enlightened Americans find the good in others, instead of concetrating on what's wrong with them.  Back when I was well on my way to becoming a good little liberal, this was one of the concepts that attracted me to it. 

It still holds today, but it's not as universal as it used to be.  Now it seems like some are worthy of positive reinforcement, but others aren't.  In other words, some are worthy of praise, but others are only worthy of scorn.

Apparently the United States of America falls in the second category.  The American left will defend their scornful words by saying things like, "a real patriot is willing to point out the failures of the US as well as the successes", "a true American is willing to accept the fact that the US has done some awful things, as well as some really great things" or "we can't be proud of the good things while ignoring the bad thing."

But wait a minute, isn't that what the whole concept of "positive reinforcement" is about?  Doesn't that fly in the face of "finding the good instead of concentrating on the bad?"

The American left seems willing to use positive reinforcement for the rest of the world.  When  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came to the U.S., the left insisted that he should be given a forum to speak, no matter what differences we may have with him.  Former Presiden Jimmy Carter insists that we should be meeting with terrorist leaders, and treat them like any other friend.  Even as Cubans are risking their lives, hopping on doors, driftwood or anything else they can to escape Castro, the left holds him up as an inspiration to the world.  Hussein's Iraq was "no threat" to the US, but we should be running to defend Darfur with all speed.

Meanwhile, mistreatment and humiliation of detainees are being likened to the massacre of Mai Lai, but when mass graves are found in Iraq, they are excused by the left with "what do you expect".  Since the U.S. isn't willing to sign on to the Kyoto treaty, we are the enemy, but it's somehow "understandable" for China and India to be exempt from its draconion and useless demands.  It's understandable for Cuba, Venezuela and Mexico to drill for oil in the Gulf, but its an ecological disaster when the US does.

I'm still waiting for the far left to show the balance implied in "taking the good with the bad".  I listen to the liberals running for president... I'm waiting for them to talk about how great it is to be an American.  I'm waiting for any lefty leader to tell me how they love the United States without adding some qualifier or exception.

So, why is it that the left talks about "positive reinforcement" but doesn't seem to apply it to the country that offers the greatest opportunity for individual achievement in the world?


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on Apr 15, 2008
I listen to the liberals running for president... I'm waiting for them to talk about how great it is to be an American. I'm waiting for any lefty leader to tell me how they love the United States without adding some qualifier or exception.


You are a patient person, aren't you?
on Apr 15, 2008

I listen to the liberals running for president... I'm waiting for them to talk about how great it is to be an American. I'm waiting for any lefty leader to tell me how they love the United States without adding some qualifier or exception.

See, this is what gets me going. Positive reinforcement is a psychology thing, not a damn politics thing. Don't get them confused because they are separate things.

 

The American left will defend their scornful words by saying things like, "a real patriot is willing to point out the failures of the US as well as the successes", "a true American is willing to accept the fact that the US has done some awful things, as well as some really great things" or "we can't be proud of the good things while ignoring the bad thing."

 

And what's wrong with being critical of our country? Honestly, what is so wrong with that? Are you saying here that those of the left should stop criticizing? The negative goes hand in hand with the positive, which means there'll be criticism with praise.

 

Meanwhile, mistreatment and humiliation of detainees are being likened to the massacre of Mai Lai, but when mass graves are found in Iraq, they are excused by the left with "what do you expect".  Since the U.S. isn't willing to sign on to the Kyoto treaty, we are the enemy, but it's somehow "understandable" for China and India to be exempt from its draconion and useless demands.  It's understandable for Cuba, Venezuela and Mexico to drill for oil in the Gulf, but its an ecological disaster when the US does.


What do you mean here? "What do you expect," would you expound on that. And why not sign onto the Kyoto treaty, is it not a step in the right direction towards taking care of our enviroment? I'm not talking about fighting global warming, i'm talking about smart expansion and remember that we've got only so much earth, and we should take care of it. When you live in a house, it makes sense to take care of it, right? If you have a problem with your house, doesn't it matter whether you're causing it? If you are or are not, the fact is that there is a problem, and something needs to be done. Right?


For me, the US needs to ween itself from oil. What other countries do, are their own problems. We as the most powereful nation in the world should take charge, and set an example by being more eco-friendly, in my opinion.

Not just that, india and china are lost causes. I feel they should, but we can't force them to sign the treaty. I advocate pressure on them to do so, but then again, like I said, it rests on them to do it or not do it.

 

 

on Apr 15, 2008

Silent 

And what's wrong with being critical of our country? Honestly, what is so wrong with that? Are you saying here that those of the left should stop criticizing? The negative goes hand in hand with the positive, which means there'll be criticism with praise.

So when will the left leaning leaders start praising the US?  There is no "hand in hand" there is only criticism, and much of the criticism is lies anyway.

And why not sign onto the Kyoto treaty, is it not a step in the right direction towards taking care of our enviroment?

If it's so good for the environment, how come the biggest pollutors are exempt?

For me, the US needs to ween itself from oil.

If we are too ween ourselves off oil, what should we replace it with?  So far, the only viable alternative is nuclear and the lefties hate that too.   Instead we are given mandates for ethanol that are causing far more problems than it fixes.

So far, all I hear from lefty leaders is criticism.  I don't hear solutions and I definitely don't hear praise.  So yes, when they have nothing but critism for America, but praise monsters like Castro, yeah, I laugh in their lying faces when they tell me they love the US. 

 

on Apr 15, 2008
If it's so good for the environment, how come the biggest pollutors are exempt?


I don't know, personally I don't think anyone should be exempt. My guess is it is politics that makes it that way. It's our world, everyone should take care of it. It's like children cleaning up a room they just made a mess of, in my opinion. If they made a mess, then they clean it up.

So when will the left leaning leaders start praising the US? There is no "hand in hand" there is only criticism, and much of the criticism is lies anyway.


Try searching Google. One person right off the back is Obama. Example: You can check his book and there is praise for America. (Oh and you don't have to buy it. )

If we are too ween ourselves off oil, what should we replace it with? So far, the only viable alternative is nuclear and the lefties hate that too. Instead we are given mandates for ethanol that are causing far more problems than it fixes.

So far, all I hear from lefty leaders is criticism. I don't hear solutions and I definitely don't hear praise. So yes, when they have nothing but critism for America, but praise monsters like Castro, yeah, I laugh in their lying faces when they tell me they love the US.


Let me add to what I said: I don't mean completely off of it. Naturally, we can't completely take ourselves off of oil, sadly. It's a large part of our country (See: Plastic, gas, vasoline, etc... )

Now, what can we go with? Perhaps a combination of solar, water, and other renewable sources? And granted, you may hear that from the left, but I also don't hear anything better from the right.

Besides, internal politics is just a monster. Red, blue, whatever you are, you're a human first, and then an American. I feel things would be better if people would realize that. But such is life, and I'm digressing.




on Apr 15, 2008
Try searching Google. One person right off the back is Obama. Example: You can check his book and there is praise for America. (Oh and you don't have to buy it. )


Oh yeah, "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream".

Sorry to break it to you and Obama, but the American Dream is alive and well and waiting for people to quit making excuses and live it.

Now, what can we go with? Perhaps a combination of solar, water, and other renewable sources? And granted, you may hear that from the left, but I also don't hear anything better from the right.


Total BS. The right is full of solutions, in fact, if the left would get out of the way, there would be NO energy shortage to argue over. 400 years worth of oil is just sitting around waiting to be harvested in 3 Western states alone. The electric company trying to use Bear Lake water to turn their turbines would be up and running (causing no pollution whatsoever). Wind turbines would be built to the fullest extent of the market for them... and we wouldn't be wasting time, energy and food on mandates for silliness like "ethanol".
on Apr 15, 2008
Oh yeah, "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream".

Sorry to break it to you and Obama, but the American Dream is alive and well and waiting for people to quit making excuses and live it.


With the middle class going down the shit can, the American dream is going to be history in a decade or two.
on Apr 15, 2008
Oh, and you're second paragraph I'll have to cover later. I'm off to class.
on Apr 15, 2008
With the middle class going down the shit can, the American dream is going to be history in a decade or two


Class warfare stupidity. I've been hearing about how the middle class is dead my whole life.. but somehow it's still here.

Enjoy your class!
on Apr 17, 2008
And what's wrong with being critical of our country? Honestly, what is so wrong with that? Are you saying here that those of the left should stop criticizing? The negative goes hand in hand with the positive, which means there'll be criticism with praise.


Have you ever heard a left leaning person say anything good about the country of their birth without a qualifier? Is there nothing good about this nation in their mind? I don’t mind pointing out our mistakes but at some point you have to marvel at the fact that after 200 years we have gone from a colony to the most powerful nation in the world that has saved countless millions from dictators, starvation, and natural disasters. All of this done with our tax dollars and without expecting recompense, after both WWI and WWII we rebuilt most of Europe and never got a dime back. Any nation that asked for help in any humanitarian way was never turned away. Yet all the liberals can remember are slavery, KKK, and leaders murdered. I am sorry but slavery was part of our nation’s history and when we could we abolished it. That is a good thing right, KKK was supported by the same liberal left that cries about their misdeeds. The leaders murdered were done by both republican and democrat leaders and that was outlawed. Also a good thing in their mind. But we never get the credit for fixing the wrongs only having done them.
on Apr 17, 2008

The relationship the people have with their government and foreign country's mirror our personal relationships in many ways.  Lets say you have a client that doesn't know what they're doing and is a full blown asshat, but having a positive working relationship with them benefits you. If you were to just tell them they're an incompetent asshat your working relationship and any benefit you enjoyed from it would be over. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" There's only one way to do this, blow sunshine up their ass. The advantages to keeping a civil relationship with your enemies are enormous. Some Chinese guy from the 6th century BC new this all to well. This "keeping it real" stupidity from the right has only two possible outcomes, You'll ether have no relationship at all with them, (having no voice and no idea what they're up to) or you go to war. You may run out of sunshine and have to go to war, but if you do do, you'll know a lot more about your enemy.   

The relationship we have with our Government is more akin to an employer employee relationship without the personal, blowing sunshine is not necessary and is counter productive. The nicer you are towards the government the lazier they get. They will do nothing or change anything that needs to be changed if they're not forced to. You want a stop sign at a dangerous intersection you better complain. Usually even complaints are not enough someone has to die before they do something. 

What the right seems to forget is the reason for all of those things we and other nations are now ashamed of was blind allegiance. When Ahmadinejad was allowed to come and speak that was nothing more than Americans saying we're not going to allow the government to tell us whom the enemy is again, we're going to see for ourselves and he pretty much confirmed he's at least not our friend. If there's a positive legacy from bushes presidency it's that. It a politicians job to address only the problems we face. No politician, republican or democrat comes out with "this is a great country we're better that everyone else shut up and elect me I won't fix anything cause it aint broke", there's always a qualifier.

on Apr 17, 2008
What the right seems to forget is the reason for all of those things we and other nations are now ashamed of was blind allegiance. When Ahmadinejad was allowed to come and speak that was nothing more than Americans saying we're not going to allow the government to tell us whom the enemy is again, we're going to see for ourselves and he pretty much confirmed he's at least not our friend.


Yup, but you know what the Iranians saw? They saw Americans have more respect for Ahmadinejad than they do for Bush. What they saw was Americans applauding the man who is killing U.S. troops in Iraq.

The relationship we have with our Government is more akin to an employer employee relationship without the personal, blowing sunshine is not necessary and is counter productive. The nicer you are towards the government the lazier they get. They will do nothing or change anything that needs to be changed if they're not forced to. You want a stop sign at a dangerous intersection you better complain. Usually even complaints are not enough someone has to die before they do something.


I never said that we should blindly follow our government, in fact, I never believed that was a good thing to do. However, there is a difference between dissent with government leaders and trashing the country herself.

Prs. Bush isn't the country, but to listen to the rantings of the left, you wouldn't know it. They hate Bush, so they feel it's ok to hate the U.S. In the end though, their hatred for Bush only gives them an excuse to say what they really thought about the U.S. all along.

Carter and Clinton both did more to empower our enemies than any other president in my lifetime, yet I don't remember the right trashing the country because of how they feel about those to presidents.

on Apr 17, 2008
Class warfare stupidity. I've been hearing about how the middle class is dead my whole life.. but somehow it's still here.

Enjoy your class!


Tell me that the middle class isn't disappearing, when they are losing jobs. Tell me it with a straight face, because it is happening. It's not class warfare, it's reality Ted. I remember working at a grocery store here where I live, and I saw people having to choose either paying their bills or get groceries, it's that bad. And it isn't just confined to my town, I've discussed with other people I know (young and old, conservative and liberal) and they say the same thing. The middle class is disappearing, and sooner or later, it will be gone.
on Apr 17, 2008
on Apr 17, 2008
Silent:
Tell me that the middle class isn't disappearing, when they are losing jobs. Tell me it with a straight face, because it is happening. It's not class warfare, it's reality Ted. I remember working at a grocery store here where I live, and I saw people having to choose either paying their bills or get groceries, it's that bad. And it isn't just confined to my town, I've discussed with other people I know (young and old, conservative and liberal) and they say the same thing. The middle class is disappearing, and sooner or later, it will be gone


Struggling to make ends meet does not mean there is no more middle class. No middle class means that there are only "rich" and "poor" people. The fact that most of the U.S. is middle class proves your rhetoric wrong. The fact that most families live in a home they are buying proves your rhetoric wrong. The fact that most students in public school aren't on free lunch programs proves your rhetoric wrong.

The middle class is alive and well and working to make ends meet just like it always has... and always will.
on Apr 17, 2008
Tell me that the middle class isn't disappearing, when they are losing jobs.


Easy. This has been happening since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Yet the middle class is still here, and still thriving. Even with confiscatory taxes levied by democrats (AMT anyone?), they are still here.

The chicken littles have been saying this since long before you were born, and will be saying long after you are dead. And the middle class will still be around like it is today.

Just check the facts. It is easy to sell books and write scary stories. But the facts belie those books and stories.